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| | :::::: The whole bibliography section sort of partially work, but only for Intel. We might be able to put some kind of an expiration date check (using a template or something) to make sure stuff isn't outdated or possibly just request permission to host those docs ourself. Cavium, Qualcomm, AMD, et al are entirely a different problem. AMD has no public documents, no specs update document, and no ark. All their info comes directly from the press deck they send us and via their pre-briefing. I wouldn't even know what we could reference. --[[User:David|David]] ([[User talk:David|talk]]) 11:15, 14 July 2018 (EDT) | | :::::: The whole bibliography section sort of partially work, but only for Intel. We might be able to put some kind of an expiration date check (using a template or something) to make sure stuff isn't outdated or possibly just request permission to host those docs ourself. Cavium, Qualcomm, AMD, et al are entirely a different problem. AMD has no public documents, no specs update document, and no ark. All their info comes directly from the press deck they send us and via their pre-briefing. I wouldn't even know what we could reference. --[[User:David|David]] ([[User talk:David|talk]]) 11:15, 14 July 2018 (EDT) |
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| − | :::::::: Is your git repo public? It might be a good starting point for us. --[[User:David|David]] ([[User talk:David|talk]]) 09:14, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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| − | What is difference between these categories: [[:Category:microprocessors]], [[:Category:Microprocessors]]? [[User:Oleg3280|Oleg3280]] ([[User talk:Oleg3280|talk]]) 08:25, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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| − | :All pages on the site are supposed lowercase (with a few exceptions). The second category with uppercase 'M' should not really exist. I think it was created a very long time ago and we simply forgot to correct it (redirect it to the second one after correcting the links). --[[User:David|David]] ([[User talk:David|talk]]) 09:14, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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| − | :: I changes pages that had the uppercase M version and redirected the category, unfortunately there are a bunch of category that also need to be fixed. --[[User:David|David]] ([[User talk:David|talk]]) 09:19, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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| − | Currently [[Property:designer|designer property]] has <code>wikidata id=[https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P287 P287]</code>, but I think that should probably be [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P178 P178] instead. P287 is "designer" which has range "Human" while P178 is "developer" and has range "Human" or "organization".
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| − | This also raises the question if the property should be named "developer" too, it is what the ChipWiki templates use (and the wikidata property).
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| − | I can do the changes, I just wanted to get an approval first.
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| − | --[[User:Trygvis|Trygvis]] ([[User talk:Trygvis|talk]]) 03:47, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
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| − | :There is currently no real implications to using either. It's just an early attempt to map our major properties to WikiData for programming purposes. I think the main reason we've gone with 'designer' is that it sounds more descriptive to what we're trying to define since we have a stronger distinction between 'designer' (the IP designer) and 'manufacturer' (the actual fab). To that end, developer sounds slightly ambiguous. But you can change the wikidata property if you think the later one is better. --[[User:At32Hz|At32Hz]] ([[User talk:At32Hz|talk]]) 10:34, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
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| − | ::Ok, I did the change. Thanks for the information. --[[User:Trygvis|Trygvis]] ([[User talk:Trygvis|talk]]) 08:34, 24 August 2018 (EDT)
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| − | As an experiment I made [https://en.wikichip.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Ask&x=-5B-5BCategory%3Aall-20system-20on-20a-20chip-20families-5D-5D-20-5B-5Bprocess%3A%3A10-20nm-5D-5D%2F-3Fdesigner&format=broadtable&link=all&headers=show&searchlabel=...%20further%20results&class=sortable%20wikitable%20smwtable&offset=&limit=50&mainlabel= a query] that more or less shows the same data (click on "edit query" to see the details). Similar serach for [https://en.wikichip.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Ask&x=-5B-5Bprocess%3A%3A10-20nm-5D-5D-20-5B-5Binstance-20of%3A%3Amicroarchitecture-5D-5D%2F-3Fdesigner%2F-3Fmicroarchitecture-20type&format=broadtable&limit=50&link=all&sort=designer%2Cmicroarchitecture_type&headers=show&mainlabel=Microarchitecture&intro=10%20nm%20Microarchitectures&searchlabel=...%20further%20results&class=sortable%20wikitable%20smwtable&offset=&order=ASC%2CASC 10 nm microarchitectures]. For the second search it might be useful to split it up into two tables, but it shows more of the possibilities.
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| − | --[[User:Trygvis|Trygvis]] ([[User talk:Trygvis|talk]]) 05:53, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
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| − | :You can actually just do {{#ask: [[Category:microprocessor families]] [[process::10 nm]]|format=ul|limit=0|link=all|headers=show|searchlabel=something like this|columns=3}}. I just realized we are also missing a 'name' property on the ic family template (the whole template needs to be switched to our new style too). An additional 'main designer' property really makes not only here but for all other templates in order to pick the one name the subject is associated with most closely. We might just want to always make it equal the same value as the first defined 'designer' to simplify this (and pretend the main designer is always 1 value). --[[User:At32Hz|At32Hz]] ([[User talk:At32Hz|talk]]) 11:02, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
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| − | ::Yeah I was thinking of just picking the first designer too and use that as a main designer. Is "primary designer" a better term for it? I can try to adjust the template if that is ok. I'm new here so I'm just trying to figure out how much stuff I can do without stepping on someones toes.
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| − | :::So I've changed [[Template:ic family]] to set <code><nowiki>{{developer}}</nowiki></code> as <code>main developer</code> ([https://en.wikichip.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3Aic_family&type=revision&diff=82710&oldid=81779 diff]) and changed the 10nm page. Compare the queries {{#ask: [[Category:microprocessor families]] [[process::10 nm]]|format=ul|limit=0|link=all|headers=show|searchlabel=without main developer|columns=3}} to {{#ask: [[Category:microprocessor families]] [[process::10 nm]]||?main designer|format=ul|limit=0|link=all|headers=show|searchlabel=with main developer|columns=3}}
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| − | :::However, the list would be prettier if the pages DISPLAYTITLE was not set. I'm not sure if it is possible to change how the list is rendered without having a special template for it. Ideally I think it would be nice to use the <code>tree</code> format, but I couldn't figure out how to nest the pages. I tried to set <code>parent=main designer</code> but that didn't work.
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